The Roswell They Don’t Want You To Know Part Two

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So what really happened at Roswell New Mexico back in July 1947?

Sheriff George Wilcox Is the next key player. He was the sheriff that Mac Brazel went to in Chaves County, New Mexico, in 1947. Mac took a sample of the debris that he found to show the Sheriff .

Sheriff George Wilcox was the first authority contacted by Mac Brazel .Sheriff Wilcox subsequently contacted the Roswell Army Air Field. Although Wilcox never referred to the event publicly, members of the Wilcox family have stated that the sheriff viewed a number of alien bodies recovered at one of the New Mexico crash sites. The bodies were small with large heads and one creature was believed to still be alive at the time of the recovery.

Roswell Morning Dispatch July 9, 1947,

Sheriff Wilcox story made the front page. 
  Roswell Morning Dispatch July 9.1947

  Flying Disk Transforms Sheriff’s Office To International Newsroom

Reports of the finding of an alleged “Flying Saucer” approximately 90 miles northwest of here transformed the Chaves County sheriff’s office into a full-fledged room of excitement yesterday afternoon as various news agencies from all over the world inquired as to the mysterious object.
 
George Wilcox, the sheriff, was chained through his desk telephone to newspapers, radio networks, and top officials on an international scope as the long distance wires buzzed with continuous requests for his office.

The furor started Monday when W. W. Brazel, a rancher living on the old Foster place, 25 miles southeast of Corona, New Mexico, came in the office and reported finding an object which fitted the descriptions of the flying discs. Deputy Sheriff B. A. Clark, who handled the report, immediately notified Sheriff Wilcox, who in turn turned his information over to Army authorities at RAAF.

According to Mr. Brazel, the object had the shape of a box kite. It was broken in two. The size of the alleged disc was, contrary to previous descriptions, rectangular, and measured approximately three feet by four feet.
 
Major Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence and an Army crew immediately went to the ranch and picked up the object. No member of the local sheriff’s office saw the article at any time. Army sources did not divulge any description either of the outside or internal appearance of the disc.
 
Following the news release of the report, Sheriff Wilcox was the object of a storm of inquiries from papers in San Francisco, Boston, Los Angeles, New York, New Orleans, Baltimore, St. Louis, Denver, Albuquerque, Milwaukee, Santa Fe, Chicago, Washington, and Mexico City. The longest call came from London, England where the London Daily Mail and other newspapers desired information.
 
The major radio networks, including N.B.C., C.B.S., Trans Radio, plus the Associated and United Press and International News Service also contacted Wilcox. Others in the cavalcade were Paramount News and International News Photo.

The stream of calls continued to such an extent that the placing of outgoing messages was almost impossible. If by chance the phone ceased ringing for time enough to pick it up, the operator would immediately ask whether or not it was the sheriff’s office, and then state that there was another long distance call coming through.
 
In response to various queries, Sheriff Wilcox could only state the location of the spot where the object was found and the name of the person finding it.
 

  Phyllis McGuire is Sheriff George Wilcox’s daughter  

Phyllis McGuire told, Kevin D. Randle, when he interviewed her for his book, that she remembered that two deputies of her father had found “an area of blackened ground” which looked like “something large and circular had touched down.”

In another interview, She told more details. “When I read in the Roswell paper about the Flying Saucer being found, I went into my dad’s office to ask about it… I asked my father if he thought the information about the saucer was true.

He said: ‘I don’t know why Mac Brazell would come all the way in here if there wasn’t something to it.

He said Mac Brazell had brought in some of the material to show, and that it looked like a material like aluminum foil but when you wadded this material up it would come right back to its original shape. He felt it was an important finding and he sent deputies out to investigate.”
AFFIDAVIT OF ELIZABETH TULK
( Sheriff George Wilcox’s daughter)

(1) My name is Elizabeth Tulk

(2) My Address is [Confidential]

(3) I am retired

(4) In July 1947, I visited my parents in Roswell, New Mexico. On the day my husband and I arrived, there were jeeps and some Air Force people at the county jail.

(5) My husband, Jay, went to see my father. He asked, “What’s going on, George?” My father said, “Well, we had this man come in saying there was this flying saucer and brought him a piece of it; he said it looked like burned grass out there (where the material was found).

(6) My mother wouldn’t talk about the event for years. However, as the years went along, my mother would say, “Remember the time we had the flying saucer in Roswell?” I know an article she wrote that said, “We do not to this day know whether it was a flying saucer, because they told my husband not to say a word.” When the Air Force came and picked up the pieces, she said they reprimanded him not to discuss the event. The article was submitted to the readers Digest and delivered to the Roswell Historical Society in 1980.

(7) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement. It is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Elizabeth Tulk
(Signature)
April 22, 1991
(Date)
Signature witnessed by
Christine Tulk
(Name)
(Friedman, S. & Berliner, D. 1992. Crash at Corona. p. 75.)
AFFIDAVIT OF BARBARA DUGGER

(1) My name is Barbara Dugger

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am employed by: XXXXXXXXXXXX

(4) My grandmother was Inez Wilcox, and my grandfather was George Wilcox, who was the Sheriff in Chaves County, New Mexico, in 1947. I lived with my grandmother while I was teaching at the New Mexico Military Institute. I was 24 years old at the time.

(5) One evening, while we were watching a TV program about space, my grandmother told me that in the 1940s, there was a spacecraft–a flying saucer–that crashed outside Roswell. She told me not to tell anybody, because when the event occurred, “the military police came to the jailhouse and told George and I that if we ever told anything about the incident, not only would we be killed, but our entire family would be killed.” I said, “Did you believe them?” She said, “What do you think? They meant it, Barbara–they were not kidding.” She didn’t remember the names of those involved, however, she said it was Air Force personnel who threatened them. She never told anyone else in the family about the event, even my mother, Elizabeth Tulk.

(6) She said someone had come to Roswell and told him about this incident. My grandfather went out there to the site; it was in the evening. There was a big burned area, and he saw debris. He also saw four “space beings.” One of the little men was alive. Their heads were large. They wore suits like silk.”

(7) After he returned to his office, my grandfather got phone calls from all over the world–including England. MPs came to the jail. A lot of people came in and out of the jail at the time.

(8) She said the event shocked him. He never wanted to be sheriff again after that. Grandmother ran for sheriff and was defeated. She wrote an article about the event right after it happened to see if anyone else knew anything about it.

(9) My grandmother was a very loyal citizen of the United States, and she thought it was in the best interest of the country not to talk about the event. However, if she said it happened, it happened. Her state of mind was excellent at the time of this conversation. She was working in real estate. Grandfather had passed away by this time from hardening of the arteries. Grandmother passed away at age of 93.

(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Barbara Dugger
Date: 2-24-95
Signature witnessed by:
Veronica Garcia
(Friedman, S. & Berliner, D. 1992. Crash at Corona. p. 75.)

The next key play would be a radio announcer named Frank Joyce, who worked for KGFL in Roswell was in his 20tys in 1947.He also work as a free lance/stringer for United Press International.

Over the years he served in the Army during World War II and was awarded the Bronze Star for his service, as well as spent a career doing play-by-play for UNM games. He interviewed the likes of John Wooden and Muhammad Ali , and then came to be known for his KOB-TV “Outdoor Report.” By 1970, he was spending most of his time reporting on outdoor sports, including hunting, fishing and skiing, for KOB-TV He passes away in October 2008.
  
Mac Brazel Contacted Mr. Frank Joyce with his story after he heard a similar announcement about someone in Washington who had reported seeing flying discs/UFO’s.

(Mac’s military escort led him out to a car after the News press conference, and drove him to KGFL. Eye witness accounts say that as Mac left the newspaper office, he kept his head pointed to the ground, and did not speak to any of his friends who were present at the time. Brazel went into the radio station without his escort, and began telling Frank Joyce the same story he had related at the press conference. Joyce was shocked by the sudden change in the story’s details, and interrupted Brazel at one point, asking him why he had changed his story. Brazel became upset at the question, and stated, “It’ll go hard on me.” )

In an interview he gave to Charles Berlitz and William Moore for the book “The Roswell Incident, 1980” Mr. Joyce stated:

“I was a stringer for the United Press International and a radio announcer at KGFL. I was sitting at a control board playing records and the phone rang. It was the famous cowboy, W.W. Brazel. This Brazel was on the phone and he had heard me reading a news story about the guy Kenneth Arnold in Washington who had seen a bunch of flying saucers. I’m playing records as I’m doing this. He goes on and starts telling me about what’s on his ranch. What he was saying was pretty sensational stuff to me, which I didn’t believe.”

Joyce will not specify what Brazel told him he found, except to say it was “some pretty graphic unbelievable stuff.”

“He was asking me what to do with this stuff. As I recall, I advised him to go to the sheriff. I don’t remember whether he said he had already been there. … So at this point, I said, ‘What you should do is go to the Roswell Army Air Force base. I said they are fliers and will know what to do about anything that flies.”

Joyce recalls that Walter Haut called that afternoon to tell him he was bringing over a press release, although other witnesses put Brazel’s trip to town days before the news release.

“He comes clumping in and he says, ‘Here’s your story.’ And he’s practically going out the door. So I grab the story and I see immediately and it says ‘U.S. Army Air Corps has a flying saucer.’ And I say, ‘Hey, wait a minute. I don’t know whether you want to run this.’ He said, ‘The story is OK.’

“I ran out the door and ran down the block. In 40 seconds I was to Western Union. I said, ‘Send this immediately.’ She sent it to Santa Fe, bang, just like that. I waited long enough for her to send it and then grabbed the copy and brought it back with me. Went back to the station. The phone rang and it’s Santa Fe bureau, United Press, saying what about this story?

“Then the flash came on, which was five bells. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. ‘Here it comes,’ I said, ‘now all hell is going to break loose.’ The phone started ringing. I took the story off the wire and read it (on the air) as a bulletin a couple of times.”
Joyce remembers Haut’s news release as coming before the Fourth of July weekend and the press release that debunked the flying saucer story as coming days later. The two statements were actually released only hours apart.

Later that day, Joyce recalls, the phone rang again. “It was Brazel. He says ‘Look, you know I’d like to talk to you. I don’t think we got that story right.’
” Brazel came to the radio station, joined Joyce in the control booth and told a different story, that what he had found was actually a weather balloon.

Joyce challenged Brazel’s story, using a phrase that was common at the time to describe the space aliens that Brazel had spoken of.

“I said, ‘That’s a very interesting story but not exactly what we talked about on the phone. Especially the little green men.’

“And he paused and he said, ‘They weren’t green.’ And that is gospel.”

(Radio station KGFL reporter Frank Joyce informed his boss, Walt Whitmore Sr. about the recent developments, and Whitmore drove out and picked up Brazel and took him to his home in Roswell. There an interview took place, all taped into a recorder, but the interview would never be made public. Threats from the military would prevent the transmission of the tape. The next day, Whitmore took Brazel to the radio station, and called the Roswell Army Base. What Whitmore told the Base is not known exactly, but the military came and picked Mac up, and transported him to the base, where he was a “guest” of sorts, for about a week. On July 8, the military returned Mac to the Roswell Daily Record, where a press conference was conducted.)  

AFFIDAVIT OF GEORGE “JUD” ROBERTS

Source: Karl Pflock, Roswell in Perspective, 1994

(1) My name is George “Jud” Roberts

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am (X) retired ( ) employed as: ________

(4) In July 1947, I was a minority stockholder and manager of KGFL Radio in Roswell, New Mexico. We did an interview with W.W. “Mac” Brazel, the rancher who found some debris on his property. He hid him out at the home of the station owner, W.E. Whitmore, Sr., and recorded the interview on a wire recorder.

(5) The next morning, I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez. This person said, “We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it’s very possible that your station’s license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not do it.” The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story.

(6) I made an attempt to go out to the crash site to see it for myself, but I was turned back by a military person who said we were in a restricted area.

(7) At that time, there was quite a clamp on any discussion concerning the event. We just decided for Walter Haut’s sake that we should sit tight and not say anything, even though in our own minds, we had some question about the validity of the weather balloon explanation. Weather balloons were launched about a block from our station every day. We didn’t accept the official explanation, but we had no evidence to the contrary.

(8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: George F. “Jud” Roberts 12/30/91
Signature witnessed by:
Signature Guaranteed Sunwest Bank of Roswell, N.M. Roswell, New Mexico
By: Nancy Montgomery, Assistant Cashier

United Press Teletype Messages :

Abbreviations used:

FRR: Santa Fe UP office
DXR: Denver UP office
DA: Dallas UP office
95: Designates second in importance to a bulletin

DXR 54 (Denver up office)
MORE FLYING DISC (DXR53) (Denver up office)
-0- (stop)

THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE REPORTS THAT IT GAINED POSSESSION OF THE
“DISC:” THROUGH THE COOPERATION OF A ROSWELL RANCHER AND SHERIFF
GEORGE WILSON OF ROSWELL.

THE DISC LANDED ON A RANCH NEAR ROSWELL SOMETIME LAST WEEK. NOT
HAVING PHONE FACILITIES, THE RANCHER, WHOSE NAME HAS NOT YET BEEN
OBTAINED, STORED THE DISC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE WAS ABLE TO

CONTACT THE ROSWELL SHERIFF’S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE IN TURN NOTIFIED A MAJOR OF THE 509TH
INTELLIGENCE OFFICE.

ACTION WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY AND THE DISC WAS PICKED UP AT THE
RANCHER’S HOME AND TAKEN TO THE ROSWELL AIR BASE. FOLLOWING
EXAMINATION, THE DISC WAS FLOWN BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN A SUPER-
FORTRESS TO AN UNDISCLOSED “HIGHER HEADQUARTERS.”

THE AIR BASE HAS REFUSED TO GIVE DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE DISC
OR OF ITS APPEARANCE.

RESIDENTS NEAR THE RANCH ON WHICH THE DISC WAS FOUND REPORTED
SEEING A STRANGE BLUE LIGHT SEVERAL DAYS AGO ABOUT THREE O’CLOCK IN
THE MORNING.

J241P 7/8 (Santa Fe UP Office) FRR8
(SUB)
ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO—THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE OF THE 509TH BOMB
GROUP OF THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE REPORTS THAT IT HAS RECOVERED A
“FLYING DISC” AND THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN A SUPERFORTRESS TO
“HIGHER HEADQUARTERS” FOR STUDY.

ARMY OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL BASE WILL NOT DISCLOSE THE LOCATION
OF THE “HIGHER HEADQUARTERS.”

SHERIFF GEORGE WILCOX (CORRECT) OF ROSWELL WAYS THAT THE DISC WAS
FOUND ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO BY A RANCHER BY THE NAME OF W. W. BRIZELL
ON THE FOSTER RANCH NEAR CORONA, ABOUT 75 MILES NORTHWEST OF ROSWELL
NEAR THE CENTER OF NEW MEXICO.

SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THE RANCHER DOES NOT HAVE A TELEPHONE, AND
THAT HE DID NOT REPORT FINDING THE DISC UNTIL DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.

SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT
IT WAS, BUT THAT AT FIRST IT APPEARED TO BE A WEATHER METER.

HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED,
AND AN OFFICER AND AN ENLISTED MAN CAME TO THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE
TO CLAIM THE OBJECT.

SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTES BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT “IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL.” WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID THAT THE DIXC
WAS BROKEN SOME, APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL. THE SHERIFF SAYS THAT BRIZELL
DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF’S

OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR

FEE. -0- (STOP) (DXR) (Denver UP Office)

WILL HV ANOTHER ADD IN ABT 5 OR 10 MINS.)
V7/8

316P SPLIT 20 MINS DXR

SXR – IXR – HOLD FOR ONE

HCR

S AGR

JD/FRR (Santa Fe UP Office)

LETS HAVE TEXT ARMY ANNOUNCEMENT FASTEST. JUST PUT ON
AS TEST AN LET ROLL IN QUOTES.

DX NJ317P7/8..

NJ DXR (Denver UP Office) ARMY GAVE VERBAL ANNCMENT. NO TEXT.

FRR V7/8..

FRR (Santa Fe UP Office) DID ARMY CALL IT A “FLYING DISC” OR WHAT?

DXR.

NAJ DXR (Denver UP Office) FYI, ROSWELL REPORTS TT MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL, INTELLIGENCE

OFFICER FOR 509TH BOMBER GROUP AT ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE, IS IN FORT WORTH,

TEX., AT 8TH ARMY HDQUARTERS, “IF HE HANT ALREADY STARTED BACK FOR
ROWELL.” SUGG U GET DA IN ON IT FASTEST. TT MITE BE WHERE DISC
WAS FLOWN.

FRR V7/8

FRR (Santa Fe UP Office)

DA ALREADY ALERTED. HOW RE ARMY TERMINOLOGY—“FLYING DISC” OR
WHAT PLS?

DXR.

DXR (Denver UP Office)

OUR S5&4 CALLED IT “FLYING DISC.” WE UNABLE GET QUOTES FROM
-4.6 OURSELVES -S 635. WE AFTER IT FASTEST. S5&4 SAID “FLYING DISCS.”

FRR V7/8..
DXR20S
DENVER—RECORDS SHOW THAT COLORADO IS LAGGING BEHIND HER…


CX322P 7/8 95 (second in importance to bulletin) DXR

ARMY :-))3$ [CALLED] IT “LFLYING DISC.”

FRR V7/8..

FRR8 (Santa Fe UP Office)

EEDITORS; PLEASE SUB FOR 5TH PGH AND REMAINDER OF FRRE8

-0- (Stop)

HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED
IMMEDIATELY BY THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE. MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL—

INTELLIGENCE OFFICER OF THE ROSWELL BASE

—AND AN ENLISTED MAN THEN
CHECKED WITH THE SHERIFF.
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTED BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT “IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL.” WILCOX SAID THAT BRIZELL

RELATED THAT THE DISC WAS BROKEN SOMEWHAT—APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL.
THE SHERIFF SAID THAT BRIZELL DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE
AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT
THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR FEET.

BRIZELL DID NOT BRING THE OBJECT TO THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE, BUT
MERELY DROVE THE 75 MILES FORM THE RANCH TO ROSWELL TO REPORT HIS
FINDING. SHERIFF WILCOX SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL LEFT SHORTLY AFTER
RECEIVING THE REPORT FOR THE AREA WHERE THE DISC WAS FOUND.

MEANWHILE, A REPORT FROM CARRIZOZO, NEW MEXICO, SAID THAT A DISC
WAS FOUND 35 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CORONA. THE REPORT—WHICH WAS NOT
SUBSTANTIATED—MERELY SAID THAT IT WAS “A RUBBER SUBSTANCE AND
TINFOIL ENCASE.” HOWEVER, IT WAS PRESUMED TO BE THE SAME AS THE
ONE REPORTED TO ROSWELL.

REPORTS FROM THE ROSWELL BASE SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL WAS AT
EIGHTH ARMY HEADQUARTERS IN FORT WORTH, TEXT, BUT THAT “HE MIGHT
BE ON HIS WAY BACK TO ROSWELL BY PLANE NOW.” HOWEVER, OFFICIALS
AT THE ROSWELL BASE SAY THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE DISC OR
ITS DESCRIPTION, OR WHERE THE “HIGHER HEADQUARTERS” WHERE IT REPORTEDLY
WAS TAKEN ARE LOCATED.

V342P7/8

FRR10 (CQ)(Santa Fe UP Office)

MORE DISC (ROSWELL)
SHERIFF’S OFFICERS IN ROSWELL SAID THAT BRIZELL TOLD THEM HE SAW IT
LYING ON THE RANCH, AND THAT HE PICKED IT UP AND INTENDED TO KEEP IT.
THEY SAID THAT HE DID NOT GIVE A COMPLETE DESCRIPTION OF THE

OBJECT, OTHER THAN TO SAY IT APPEARED SOMEWHAT LIKE TINFOIL AND WAS
LARGE—ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SAFE IN THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE.

SHERIFF’S OFFICERS SAID THAT BRIZELL TOLD THEM HE PLANNED TO
KEEP THE OBJECT, BUT THEN HEARD REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS AND DECIDED
TO DRIVE INTO ROSWELL AND REPORT HIS FINDING TO THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE.

-0-(STOP)

 

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